Super Missions – Part 3 – Fleet Composition
With more people, there is less risk, and also less rewards. If too many people show up to do a mission, it will not be worth the time spent and each person could actually make more ISK doing level 4 missions.
With less people, each fleet member will reap more rewards, but the difficulty of the mission will increase. It is up to the commander to decide if one or two mission fleets should be created to gain the most loyalty points for each participant.
Fleet setups vary, but what I find to be a good composition is 1 tank, 2 support ships, and 1 other ship if necessary to help kill the small stuff; or 1 tank, 1 logistics, and 1 support ship. Basically, the fleet revolves around the tank, being able to give it the number of large shield transporters it needs.
Example fleets that would work well for a group are listed below and their respective ship configurations follow as well. The fittings are a minimum, feel free to switch out to T2, faction, deadspace, or officer where capable, though a full T2 build should be plenty.
The setups are categorized, in the order that would be most efficient and effective to the least in the fleet, not by itself! If it can be outperformed by a ship that underclasses it, it probably will not be listed!
The best thing to do to find a setup that works for you is to plug it into EFT. I know this is will not be a real representation of the damage, it does help compare between ships. The important thing when doing so is to remember to adjust the damage profile to fit accordingly.
The most common damages types encountered in level 5 missions are:
- Guristas
- Minmatar Republic/Angels
- Drones
- Sanshas
In EFT, to find create a ship setup from the original, look for a T2 cruiser or bigger ship for their base resistances, then one with 4 or more low slots and 5 or more mid slots. This is an important step as it distinguishes which ships are capable of a good passive tank.
Then aim for a shield based 100% passive setup, that means no capacitor use at all, and a defensive number of at least 1500 against a certain damage profile. Then with a shield regen rate of about 125hp/s, and finally a defense of 2000 with 1-2 large shield transporters.
As you can see, most of the setups below are for a kinetic/thermal damage tank, but by switching up the shield amplifiers or ships, other damages can be tanked as well. Minmatar ships are a good second choice as they provide a decent shield tank, as well as a better T2 resistance for EM damage than Caldari ships.
Another area to note, on support ship setups, not logistics ships, 5 of shield maintenance bots are not quite the equivalent of their respective sized shield transporters. Still, it would be a wise idea to fit a flight of 5 medium shield drones before using combat drones.
In experience, it had been best to use a Nighthawk and Ravens setup. This is similar to what is outlined above and maximizes reward while keeping dependency low.
1 - Nighthawk 2 - Raven
1 - Tank 2 - Support
1 - Tank 1 - Support 1 - Logistics
[Nighthawk, L5 Tank] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5
[Vulture, PvE - L5 Tank] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile 720mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP M Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5
[Ishtar, PvE - L5 Tank] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Dual 180mm AutoCannon I, EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon I, EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon I, EMP M [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Garde II x5 Warden II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5
[Onyx, L5 Tank] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
[Drake, L5 Tank] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5
[Eagle, L5 Tank] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 650mm Artillery Cannon I, EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon I, EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon I, EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon I, EMP M Assault Missile Launcher I, Sabretooth Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher I, Sabretooth Light Missile Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
[Cerberus, L5 Tank] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher I, Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
[Broadsword, L5 Tank] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 650mm Artillery Cannon I, EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon I, EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon I, EMP M 650mm Artillery Cannon I, EMP M Assault Missile Launcher I, Sabretooth Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher I, Sabretooth Light Missile Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
[Raven, PvE - L5 Support] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II X-Large Shield Booster I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5 Hobgoblin II x5
[Dominix, PvE - L5 Support] Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Co-Processor II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot I x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Warden I x5
[Typhoon, PvE - L5 Support] Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Co-Processor II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Small Tractor Beam I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Heavy Shield Maintenance Bot I x5 Hammerhead II x5
[Armageddon, PvE - L5 Support] Large Armor Repairer II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Co-Processor II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Dual Heavy Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency L Dual Heavy Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency L Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
[Basilisk, PvE - L5 Logistics] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Improved Cloaking Device II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x5
[Scimitar, PvE - L5 Logistics] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II 10MN Afterburner II Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Improved Cloaking Device II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x4 Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1
[Osprey, PvE - L5 Logistics] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Capacitor Power Relay II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Large Shield Transporter I Large Shield Transporter I Small Tractor Beam I Improved Cloaking Device II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Light Shield Maintenance Bot I x4
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Fleet Command : Execution
5 comments
Nice post again :).
Agreed on the too many ppl in fleet thing. At a certain point, there can be too many and things get confusing. Also ppl might slack off and endanger the fleet. So better to keep it to 3 or 4 at most.
I don’t know if your next part is going to be on armor tanking or not but I’d like to mention my teams methods.
We are gallente pilots so we use a Dominic for a tank
lows:
kinetics II x2
thermal II x2
large armor repaier II
1600 mm rolled tungston plates x2
mids
varies some cap charges and drone mods usually
highs
425 lage rail II and drone link augmenters
support we use the damnation command ship
set up I’m not sure of but 3 warfae links for armor amount repair cap use and duration and missles
and me in my onerios
highs
4 large remote II’s
mids
all cap recharge II’s
low
med armor rep II
kinetic II
thermal II
not sure about the other slot
rigs lower remoter repair cap use so it’s fully cap stable
That leaves the tank to dps bs’s and towers and the command ship and my drone to wipe out the frigates and cruisers
all and all we do pretty well dps might be a little less the desired but as far as tanking we’ve never been close to being in trouble
on a note we have lvl 5 skills in out ships and most other role skills
very good guide so far!
Recently the tank and myself (logistics) did a lvl 5 and again tanking was cake but I’d recomend another dps 2 people makes it slow lol.
@Morph
Thanks, and you are correct, it is best to have 3 to 4 people to run these things. Any more and it just won’t be worth it.
@Miranda Tenoba
Thanks for the information on how you guys run with armor tanks. I will not be writing about it since I have never even tried a L5 in an armor tanked ship, but once I try it a few times, I will most definitely add a section in.
Seems like you guys have had great success, besides the low DPS :P, keep it going!
Good write-up and I like the drill down to the different categories: Tank, Support, Logistics etc.
Worth looking at further when I have more time!
Nice, so when do we get the other parts to the series?
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